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those messes? early next year when people like governor palin make their decision to run or not, there's a chance that the unemployment rate will be still higher. what will sarah palin offer as the solution then? tax cuts, budget cuts, does anyone seriously believe we can create a modern economy by going back to the economic thinking of the early '30s? that's "hardball." for now. "countdown" starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? blowback against the tea party. baked in alaska. joe miller now you third in the polls. government shutdown. >> it's not something we can rule out. it may be absolutely necessary. >> even nontea party republicans edge toward that threat. >> this is not the time for
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compromise. we will not compromise on our principles. >> the man who had enough. florida independent senate candidate charlie crist on florida tea party seasoned can't marco rubio. >> he took it to a point so much so that said people who don't essentially agree with him ought to leave the country, like keith olbermann. >> our special guest, governor charlie crist. the plot to buy america. for rove, it's personal in kentucky. they attacked john conway. arizona 10-70, it's not tighten border security. it's drumming up business for privatized prisons. >> thoses people coming across the border and being caught will have to be detained. that to me at least suggests there's going to be enhanced opportunities for what we do. >> and voting against your own interests. women leaning towards the gop in
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the mid-terms. when the gop has candidates who defend their own entertainment company portraying women on tv literally on all fours barking like dogs. >> i do believe in the first amendment rights. >> all the news and commentary now you on "countdown." >> we produce a very unique form of entertainment. >> good evening from new york. this is thursday, october 27th, five days until the 2010 mid-term elections. perhaps because they feel embold end or because they are making a final pitch to their angry base or because they can't wait to shut down the government, republican leaders and those who would join them, making new calls of no compromise and of government shutdown. while in alaska, a sign of clarity as the tea party candidate drops to third place. the republican who felt he had no choice but to become an independent, florida governor charlie crist will join me in a moment as news breaks around that campaign.
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first, the tea party-backed candidate in utah, mike lee says a government shutdown may be absolutely necessary. >> our current debt is a little shy of $14 trillion. and i don't want it to increase one cent above the current debt limit. i will vote against that. >> even if it leads to a government default or a shutdown? >> it's an inconvenience. it would be frustrating to many, many people. and it's not a great thing. and yet at the same time, it's not something that we can rule out. it may be absolutely necessary. >> meantime, the would-be speaker of the house, john boehner said that working with the president is only working in one direction. to the extent that the president wants to work with us, we'd welcome his involvement. >> this is not the time for compromise. we will not compromise on our principles. we will not compromise on the will of the american people. it's as simple as that.
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>> add republican mike pence to the chorus. he said when republicans took control in 1994, there was altogether too much compromise. there will be no compromise. then there is senator lisa mu murkowski, running as a write-in candidate. the state supreme court has ruled that she can be addedas a write-in candidate. her name will be placeded at the top. as the stomach turns, the underbelly of the rest of campaign 2010 shows itself, in washington, dino rossi is challenging patty murphy. an activist was protesting outside the headquarters in walla walla. she along with others wearing bags around their head.
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a man tried to remove the bag. when the woman lifted her arms in defense, the man hit her arms with force. mr. phillips was arrested. in houston, a possible attempt at dirty tricks. a flyers stuck in the windshields of cars. the flyer tells voters not to vote the straight democratic ticket and offers a convoluted explanation that insults african-american voters. >> the republican nominee for governor, meg whitman, in california, says that her former housekeeper she claimed not to know was an illegal immigrant, should now be deported. let's go to msnbc contributor chris hayes. we'll skip ms. whitman and her attempt to lose absolutely all of the hispanic vote in california and move instead to the business of government shutdown and no compromise. the republicans and the tea
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party tail that might be wagging that dog, are they tipping hoff they will you go if they get the house? >> look, think about it this way, right? in 1994, republicans took over the house. and it was -- you know, it was the sort of -- in some ways, there's a deja vu feeling to the tea party movement. back then it was the revenge of the angry white men. they shut down the government. that was 1994. fox news came on the air in 1996. they didn't have this extremely well-funded wing of the party that was issuing primary challenges routinely to anyone that showed even the slightest inkling of compromise. even before this was laid you in place, they already did it once. it's very hard to see how this is going to play out in a manner any more compromising or
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rational than the most extreme pursuit of ideological purity. >> what about mr. boehner, hinting about shutting it down, is that what he thinks the base needs to hear to lock them in and keep them in charge in case there's a tea party revolt against him as leader? >> i think that's exactly right. in the last week before an election, everybody's focused on their base and turnout. that's what we've seen on the choices barack obama has made in choices of interview. that is a dog whistle to the base. the fact of the matter is there are going to be expectations. everyone that goes to congress, sworn in in january, will be able to look at the example of m murkowski, crist and mike bennett in utah. those were people taken out because they were perceived as
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insufficiently deferential. the fact of the matter is no one wants a primary challenge. it's an incredibly effective way of enforcing an yideological. every single republican member will have that locked in their memory. >> what do you make of the poll that shows murkowski and mcadams so far ahead of miller? >> what does seem reliable is that miller has had two or three weeks of terrible press coverage and his approval/disapproval has changed across the board. in depends on how many of the ballots come out counting for murkowski. if mcadams ends up winning the race, that is a shooting
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yourself in the foot for the republicans. >> a spelling race for the republicans. >> yes. >> joining me now, as promised, the governor of florida, charlie crist, running for senate as an independent now. governor, thanks for your time. >> great to be with you. thank you. >> as we look at the latest polling in your state, mr. rubio's margin has been cut to seven of the democrat slipped to 15% of the vote. former president bill clinton twice persuaded mr. meek to withdraw you and endorse you. mr. meek said the article is not true and it's not true, you should withdraw. do you know anything about this? >> those discussions did occur. i think what's happening in florida is the common sense democrats and republicans and independents understand. the way we defeat a radical republican, that wants to
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overturn roe versus wade and stem cell research and people like you who he thought didn't love the country enough, that's radicalism that the american people don't want. and that common sense democrats, independents and republicans do not support in the sunshine state. that's what's going on. >> all the polling suggests that your closing that gap comes from republicans and democrats. do you think voters have the right to know which party you would caucus with if elected to the united states senate? >> they certainly have the right to know, keith, how i feel about the issue if i have the honor of being elected. i've consistently said here in the nigstate, i would ask tough questions of both parties. how are you going to help job creation in the sunshine state and get a national catastrophic
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fund that will help florida from storms in the future? depending on the answers from both it would help that decision or not, to remain an independent. that would remain until the next congress. >> if a florida voter hears that, what serious vetting you would do, that your decision would not be made until after the election, particularly with how narrow the senate outcome might be on tuesday, do you understand that it might appear that you might not be acting on principle but more opportunistically. >> i want to do what's in the best interest of my fellow floridans. i would want to do what's in the best interest of them. we don't know what the outcome will be. nobody does. there are all kind of polls. i think the reality is that whatever the outcome is after the election, you have to ask those people that are in leadership positions what they can do to help my state. that would be, in fact, my job
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as a u.s. you senator from florida. depending on those answers i would make that decision in a prudent and thoughtful way. >> do you think in terms of being a veteran of practical politics, having said what you said about mr. rubio and those parts of the republican party that have gone off in this direction that's unpallatableun that if they were to be in charge of the senate and you were elected instead of mr. rubio, is it still plausible you could work with them after all that's happened. >> candidly, it wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world. you have to be honest with you. but you have to analyze things, facts and circumstances as they occur. some in the republican party have not been kind to me since i decided to go independent in this race. they have the right to do that. i understand it. some people are so rigid in their partisanship that anybody who dares to do what most americans i think want, that is a fiscal conservative, which i
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am, and a social moderate who's a live and let live kind of guy. when you're so partisan, it's hard to understand that's a genuine act. but it is in my case. only i can truly know that. those are the facts. >> how permanent is your independents of the republican party? is it plausible you could rejoin it in the near future? >> i'm not thinking beyond tuesday. i'm trying to earn the trust and confidence of the people i love so much, the people of florida, and see the outcome of this election. i love serving them. i'd like to serve them in the united states senate. give them an honest broker who cares about their future, the economy, job creation, better education, protecting the everglades and our environment. that's why i'm running for the senate. >> on the national scope, given the way the senate has been grid locked would be the polite term to use in the past couple of years by the filibuster, would you support filibuster reform? >> i support the opportunity for
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free speech. filibuster is an awkward sort of thing. i understand that. but there may be times where that's appropriate in rare, limited circumstances. what i think we ought to do is not have it be -- the 60% rule they have in the senate doesn't make a lot of sense to me. you know, most people -- most americans believe a simple majority is appropriate to pass things. i certainly would support that. because i think that's the right thing to do. >> i'll close where we began on that breaking news. i guess i should have asked this following my question about what you knew about those conversations about the possibility of mr. meek dropping out and endorsing you. do you think he's going to do that, or do you think all three of you will be on will ballot on tuesday? >> i don't think he will. i think all three of us will be on the ballot. i think it's very clear to all common sense democrats, republicans and independents if they're for someone who is not for overturning roe versus wade, which mr. rubio does, if they
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want a common sense voice who wants to stop the gridlock, charlie crist is their candidate. >> i have one additional final question. the meek campaign has been in touch with us and wanted to ask by proxy, how would you know there have been conversations about mr. meek dropping out? >> how would i know such because i have you numerous phone calls with people very close to president clinton. >> well, that's an answer. >> yes. >> independent candidate for u.s. senate, charlie crist of florida. one way or the other, it's been a pleasure. >> thank you, keith. >> the attorney general of kentucky prosecutors a kentucky banker for not reporting the sexual abuse of a flechbtreside nursing home owned by the banker. the attorney general runs for senate. guess who can produce unlimited number of ads attacking the attorney general running for senate?
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karl rove, jack conway and howard finemann next. hi, we're looking to save some money on our car insurance.
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the plot to buy america is not all about money or philosophy. sometimes it's vengeance. his group rolled out ads attacking jack conway in kentucky. when she signs arizona's papers please laws. the tea party candidate who wants the violent option on the table has almost said something that bad. getting women to vote against their own interests. she demeans them and her colleagues would demand them their biological rights but women still leaning towards them in the mid-terms.
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in the past week, the last week leading up to election day, we've seen several stories that slam home how corrosive one supreme court ruling has been. on the fire walls, american democracy relied upon to ensure that our elections cannot be bo bought. bought by a flood of millionaires. the truth and their identities not it to see on the light of day until it's too late. what the supreme court said would not happen when it opened the toodoors for unlimited secr spending case has happened. justice kennedy said, with the advent of the internet, prompt disclosures will provide is shareholders to hold lktd officials accountable. i said that the ruling would
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change democracy as we knew it. here's what howard finemann said about my assessment then. >> i have a confession to make. sometimes i think you get a little turbo-charged, shall we say about an issue. i think you're understating this one. >> i didn't know where he was going with that. karl rove's group pouring millions into kentucky. in order to defeat democratic candidate jack conway. where is the million coming from? all we know is that the crossroads bank is located in lexington, contact, owned by a right wing millionaire who owns a nursing home being sued for covering up the sexual abuse of a resident. this is what citizens united allows, the pursuit of private
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agendas behind the cloak of politics. the biggest cloak belongs to the u.s. chamber of commerce. what do they want? the chamber called for weaker laws against american companies bribinging foreign officials. time donahue talked about pushing back against lawyers who represent you against big companies. >> in 2008, the trial bar made a significant investment in the election. and they have been working hard to get a return on that investment ever since. the trial bar is looking for a handout to further undermine the economy while lining their own pockets. you can't make that stuff up. >> but if you do make that stuff up, you just might get pushed back even from your own key note speaker. kenneth fineburg, the bp damages pay master, invited because of his circumstance circumventing traditional lawsuits. >> i'm a lawyer. i happen to believe that in the
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run of the mill everyday life in america, the legal system works pretty well. i can also cite examples like 9/11, where the victim compensation fund created by congress only succeeded because the trial bar helped. >> coming full circle, political analyst howard finemann. good to see you. >> hi, keith. >> of the three of us, who was right, justice kennedy, who predicted transparency, me, in predicting the end of democracy or you for saying i was understating it? >> i think we were all wrong. justice kennedy for sure. you because we're still here. it's only october. and i was wrong too, because i think what we're seeing now is the beginning of a cycle like what we saw 100 years ago when the big corporations overplayed
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their hand. when the mckinley era. they have owned the political system lock, stock and barrel. eventually a guy from new york named teddy roosevelt said these are my people. this is my class. enough. i have enough faith in our country and democracy that what will happen is that the roves of the world will overplay their hand. this election is not really about this topic but the next election will. >> of course, to get teddy roosevelt into the white house, you had to have a bunch of people who put him in the vice presidency because that's where they they could keep him and contain him. unfortunately, an assassination was involved in that equation. there are a lot of very strong bulwarks that have been built since this decision that would keep the next teddy roosevelt from being elected president, aren't there? because of citizens united such
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you have to be elected and say, i'm a trust buster and rip the mask off? >> i don't think so. this election season, we're talking a lot about the money. the money, especially from the fourches of the world is important. they want to vote on the economy and the fear for their jobs and mortgage foreclosures, et cetera. they're not seeing the connection between the economic circumstances they're in and the people who are supplying the money for this ad campaign. that conversation really can't happen with three weeks left in a mid-term election. i think it's going to be incumbant on president obama and such democrats left in the congress to say, look, let's unpack this a little bit. let's go back and see who's running this conversation. who's controlling the conversation and what we can do about it. because it's related to what kind of country we have and what
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economy we have. it's hard to make that connection unless you start from the beginning of your presidency to do it. barack obama said, i'm going to change things because i'm me and we're young and we're going to do it. he took on some of the powers that be. he didn't really want to be that rooseveltian kind of guy confronting all the economic powers in america. for whatever reason, he wanted to be the guy who was going to make peace with everybody. it's not going to work that way the next time. >> eight of the supreme court justices in citizens united said that disclosure laws were vital. it wasn't just justice kennedy. secret donors, not supposed to be primary in nature. between that intent and the irs and the fpc, how can rove and the chamber get away with this even now? >> because there's a lot of money involved, number one. as between the irs and the fec, there's a big hole. the irs looks from a tax lawyer
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point of view. you're in this category, you're a not for profit group, find. the fec is a wholly owned subsidiary in my view of the campaign industry. we're talking about -- like most regulatory agencies in washington. we're talking about maybe $3 billion in television advertising. they're going to tell half a billion of it that you can't play the game. i don't think so. what the fec said was, we're not going to make you disclose the donors to the 501 -- these particular type of tax exempt groups unless the secret money is given specifically for a single ad, which is defining away all regulation of it. basically they punted. that's the answer to your question. >> howard finemann of the huffington post and msnbc. the disturbing report from arizona that the degradation that the papers please law you is more cynical than harassing latinos, the true motive for it, profit. nationwide insurance, i'm all ears.
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arizona's papers please law, the disturbing subtext won ling to the surface. it has been pushed by the arizona private prison industry. the sanity break and the tweet of the day. dennis tips us to the rage on the internet today. best halloween costume going, question mark. you ready? here we go. on the right would be the manager of the american league champion texas rangers and "countdown" viewer ron washington. on the left, that would be the
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according to the cbs station in it tucson, in the tradition of arizona politicians going back to john mccain, governor jan brewer said she will suspend her election campaign next monday in lieu of the campaign trial, she will be in court in san francisco trying to get her papers please law restored. tonight we know more than ever about how sb 10-70 started. we know more about the private prisons that hope to prcht. and we know more than ever about the ties those private prisons have with arizona legislators. russell pierce is the senator that wrote the law. he is a member of a conservative group of state legislators and organizations like the nra and big corporations like exxonmobil and the corrections corporation of america, who runs prisons. they previously reported in december 2009, pierce unveiled his original draft of sb 10-70
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in washington, d.c. the goal of the bill was to grant local authorities broad power to detain and arrest people they suspected were in this country illegally. today national public radio confirming that officials from corrections corporation of america were among the presidenti approximately 50 people in the room for the presentation and his bill was a hit. >> there were no "no" votes. i you never had one person speak up in objection to make this legislation. >> npr was able to review corrections corporation of america documents and say next year they expect to bring in a significant portion of our revenues from immigrants. pierce introduced the bill to the state senate in january and it received 36 cosponsors. 30 of the 36 cosponsors received
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donations from prison lobbyists. in april, the papers please law was signed by governor jan brewer. npr's review of state records said two of brewer's top advisers are former lobbyists of private prison companies. arizona is not alone. think progress reporting in september there are similar ties between private prison groups and candidates or legislators in tennessee, oklahoma, colorado, florida and pennsylvania. let's go pack to where this all started in arizona. democratic congressman raul. is there anything you can tell us? >> it is a wonderful i told you so moment. but we've been battered for the past few months. we don't know how much they've
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contributed to this independent expenditure campaigns, the prison industry. you used the word citizens. it's cynical and disgusting. they were bragging about, there's going to be more women and children detained. therefore, this is a market for us. and the fact of the matter is, russell pierce and jan brewer made a decision to put this law in effect. it had had nothing to do with border security. it had nothing to do with the security of the state. it had to do with the profit line. and, you know, i'm glad that npr did this. i'm glad the times did that. finally it's catching some attention. but it comes at the end of a campaign, when many of us have been battered for six months because of our opposition to 10-70. you used the word cynical. it is past cynical. it is using a very tough situation in the state of arizona when it comes to immigration, using it to make a
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profit and using people when we should be talking about how you we're going to reform this law. it's unbelievable. >> it's almost extraordinary to believe once we got past the original phony reason for it, which was security for the border, when obviously it didn't pertain to that whatsoever, that the real reason was this is to intimidate people of hispanic descent. there's an even more base, cynical reason behind it. am i wrong about this? when they talk about making money, they're not talking about people who are going to be in jail because they've been convicted of anything, this would be making money off people who are held and then found to have violated no laws, correct? they make money whether something's guilty or innocent, correct? >> it's filling beds and spaces, period. it's about building private prisons, filling them, taking a profit from the federal government and with that profit continuing to expands the bottom line. the advisers for jan brewer are
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part of this. the people that wrote the law for russell pierce of part of this. they're all going to make millions of dollars off of this. what expense? the division in arizona. the division across this country. they get to go lightly walk away with their money, leaving behind the kind of social mess they've left all over this country. it is for me one of the most corrupt political acts. because you use people. you use the emotions involved and you make a profit. >> i can't insure your house for fire because they would give me a motivation for wanting to to see your house catch fire. you could see the premise with prison companies too. >> that and the private prison industry in arizona has a wonderful test case. murderers escaped from a private
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public. they haven't escaped from a public prison. that's jan brewer's agenda. that is the extreme right's agenda. i think people in arizona are now seeing through the cloud and realizing that this is not just about immigration. this is not just about border security. there's an insidious reason where we're involved in this really tough, tough issue. that is that somebody is making money off of it. >> lastly, any idea why the governor is going to san francisco? >> she wants to avoid the questions about her relationship to this private prison industry and why they wrote the law. the people on her staff that are running her campaign and her chief of staff, i'm assuming that she wants to avoid those questions. >> congressman, it's always a pleasure. thanks for your time. >> thank you.
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71 would-be republican congressman. seven would-be republican represents are opposed to the right to choose for women. time for tonight's "worst persons in the world." the postmaster general, his last act, he will raise rates after a loss of $6 billion this year, which owes to so much communication now being done on the internet. mr. potter announced his retirement via e-mail. the runner-up, congresswoman
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jean schmidt of ohio. she addressed a school and gave the students her opinions on pro life causes and abortion. the rational among us may not think much of schmidt, as long as a similar opportunity was given to her opportunity, this is free speech in action. except for one detail. some of the kids were in the first grade and were as young as six. the principal sent a note home to parents apologizing about the congressman talking about abortion. >> the self-described pastor in texas who said violent revolution wasn't the tea party's first choice at the moment but it was still on the table. crazy stuff from him comes with a pretty high bar. sadly he cleared it. he said ruth bader ginsburg wants to exterkinate african-americans. she said, quote, we passed roev.
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wade in order to control certain people group, unquote. the woman is a
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